National Debt Relief Investigation and a story (PART I)

As I always mention at the beginning I am only documenting my opinion on these debt settlement companies as I am entitled to my opinion.

As a finance specialist for over 13 years with debt and credit I reflect back to the beginning when I knew nothing about this industry at all and as I mention and use an analogy for your legal rights it applies the same with this:

“If you don’t know your rights, then you have no rights”.

“If you don’t know your options, then you have no options”.

 

Companies in the debt settlement industry like Credit Associates that started me writing these kinds of informative blogs thrive on a consumer’s lack of knowledge. In fact that lack of knowledge is what keeps them in business.

I personally believe Credit Associates is one of the worst out there. As someone with a knowledge base of over 13 years I can spot the lies that are done in their commercials or advertising spots so I felt the need to point them out so someone doesn’t get taken advantage of.

A gentleman called me and said they read my blog about them and agreed with my assessment and then also spoke to National Debt Relief and then told me a rather shocking story that I will pass along to you today.

He said he had a business credit card at about $20,000 he is being forced to make the decision to let go.

The “Representative” he spoke to (you know… the salesperson) asked if he had any other debt and he said he stated he had a personal target credit card for about $5,000 and another credit card for about $4000.00 but they have been paid on time. It was only the business card that had started to slip.

They told him they would have to do “all 3 cards” in order to help him. They chatted about it and he said how much could you save me on the cards?

I of course was curious myself and when they told him they could get it all down to $21,000.00 there was a bit of silence on the phone as I had trouble believing such a pathetic amount and repeated what he told me to make sure I heard him right. That s right, he owed $29,000 and said they could only get him a savings of $8,000.00.

What scares me is this is possibly the norm. After all is it not the job of sales people to maybe exacerbate how much they could save? If that’s them bragging then oh my, what is their average?

 

HINT—see PART II of this blog (coming next week)

 

I asked him if he had a lump sum to get this all handled to go away and he said he did but not a ton of money of course. I informed him it was idiotic to add the 2 perfectly good paid cards he had to let them go and destroy his personal credit and after some conversation he wanted to work directly with me.

NOTE— This is a 2 part story as I also contact them as a potential client to see what they could do for me.

 

As I always say, a credit report is like a thumb print…. And every thumbprint is different so generic advice that is attached to your financial well-being is not the smartest move. Only by having a full and complete picture of what is going on is the way to truly get the best advice for you and your family.

 

Back to the Story!

I told him to keep his personal credit cards paid and to keep them paid and good. In less than a month I had the company agree to a settlement of $8,000.00

Now the thing you need to be informed about is while reading this is if the bank takes a hit on what you owe them they can 1099 you and the IRS considers that “undeclared income” and you have to give that to your CPA.

That of course sucks but it’s still a hell of a lot cheaper that paying the debt owed. Plus you can always set up a payment plan for it if necessary.

 

AN ADDITIONAL FYI is the bank has to 1099 you if they do in 3 years. If not then they lose the opportunity to take a tax break on it. we had a client get 1099’d 4 years later and a simple general dispute to the IRS got it dismissed and saved the client an additional $1,500.00 of their hard earned money.

 

So why was there such a money difference you may ask? It’s rather simple actually, if you don’t think you can get anything and you get told you can save $8000.00 you are very happy!

But when you don’t know you could actually save $12,000.00 then the $8,000.00 sounds pretty good.

As I always say, the bigger the company the bigger the overhead so you’re not a client you’re an amount.

They will take the 1st offer the bank gives them and then sell you on how good of a deal it is and how it benefits you so they can move onto the next client.

 

So that’s the end of part I of this blog, the next one may be short but it will be from my own direct experience of calling and emailing National Debt Relief as opposed to detailing you the story from a 3rd party person.

 

NOW I want to say that while this person’s experience with National Debt Relief may not be typical if they read this and say that’s not how we do things is possible. I would find it rather improbable that this client just happen to tell me the one bad representative that they have out of the possible hundred (more or less). Especially when it’s combined with my own experience listed in PART II.

 

I will note that the rep never told him how bad this will hurt his credit score and how future lenders will look at him which I feel is a disservice to the consumer.  Now it is possible they were never trained on that but as a credit and financial professional for over 13 years, isn’t that one of the reasons why you would be calling them???

 

Wayne Sanford is a credit and finance expert with over 13 years’ experience in the industry. He has reviewed over 16,000 credit reports and appeared on local and national TV on CBS and is a contributor to many online publications as well as being an Continuing educational provider for the Texas Real Estate Commission.

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Credit Associates Flat out lies in commercials a MUST READ

I had originally posted this in December 2017 and then my awesome computer skills somehow deleted it so i am re-posting it, read as see for yourself!

 

As we get older we seem to fall into certain patterns or habits, so for me every morning I wake up and as I get ready for work I have the morning news on. This somehow happened to me a few years ago, I think it’s automatic the moment you cross over the age of 40.

One of the consistent annoying commercials is one from the debt settlement company called “Credit Associates”. I always get amazed at how TV networks don’t get sued for airing what is flat out lie to the public.

They start almost from the beginning by saying “there is a secret the credit card companies don’t want you to know, if you have more than $5,000 worth of debt you have the right to settle that debt for a fraction of what you owe”.

NOTE/LIE # 1: there IS NO secret…..

NEWSFLASH for consumers reading this ANY book, commercial or Ad if you even see or hear the sales person saying they have a secret that banks don’t want you to know it is such a lie it’s crazy. Example, how can it be a secret if they are advertising to tell you?

It’s a gimmick trick to get you to call so they have a chance of selling you so don’t be a sucker.

Back to my point….

There is no law that says any debt over $5,000 gives you the right to settle on the debt based on what they say in their commercials.

$5,000.00 is probably their bottom line that they can charge before they can make any decent sort of profit that is worth their time and expense on the consumer while dragging out the process.

While I have no clue how they get away with lying like this what I can say is I actually got a solicitation call from them so I jumped up for joy and pressed “1” to talk to a representative.

My representative was named “John” he did not sound like anyone I know named John. I will point out and I said I was interested but I was super curious as is my nature and wanted to know what was “the secret” or law that allowed me to save thousands like their commercial said since I was never aware of or heard about.

Wouldn’t you know it but John didn’t seem to know what I was talking about and went into his script.

I kept interrupting him to say I want to know first what this law is first before seeing what his company can “do to help me”. He kept trying to read through the script and I said “ hey if this information is above your paygrade then that’s no big deal so put me on hold or transfer me to a supervisor so I can get the answer and then back to you to move forward”.

I was giving him EVERY option available to get me the answer (if there was one) and he would not or should I can could not answer the question. I then started saying “listen your company advertises this so why are you not prepared to answer this question which is in the first 10 seconds of your companies commercial or at least be able to transfer me to someone who can at least tell me the answer”?

As I had some time at the moment and justified however long I dragged this out for utilizing the time for this blog I must have been on the phone for at least 15-20 minutes.

Towards the end of him trying to push past my question and finishing his script and I said to “John” that if your incapable or unwilling to answer the simplest question on the 1st sentence of your companies commercial it’s obvious this company is a scam company so answer the question the next time you speak or I am hanging up the phone.

Shocking result of what happen next? I hung up the phone.

What most of these companies do is basically take advantage of your unwillingness to talk to your creditors. The collectors can be jerks and some are nice. Once a bill has gone past the 120 day mark creditors are open to ‘re-discuss” the original terms of the agreement. Now of course to get to that mark your credit score is destroyed and you may be a candidate for credit repair but maybe not as your credit report is file specific. Think of the term different strokes for different folks.

Without any knowledge whatsoever you should be able to get them to give you a minimum of 20-30% discount off of the current debt owed. An experienced person in this industry can go much lower, I have gotten an average when helping clients with this issue anywhere from a 70-90% savings.

Quick story to end this blog, had a client ask me to look at what their in-laws got themselves into and said sure will be happy to give my opinion. It was a debt settlement program, they had several credit cards and they were paying $375 a month into a “pot” so to speak and when the funds grew large enough they would go in , settle one account and so on.

The issue was in all of the fine print and there was a lot of it but on the page with the fees etc it was CLEARLY marked that this “company” was charging “$221.00 a month” to take their money as their fees that they have not performed and would not perform until these particular clients had at least $1,000 to settle debt # 1.

So they were only saving approx. $154 a month towards settling their bills. They were in shock but I said I didn’t understand why they were as this was clearly printed and they said the person didn’t tell them that and they didn’t look at the paperwork and only signed where he said they needed to sign.

I then said, you mean the “Sales person”??

They got silent really quick, and I gave them advice on what to do but said they have no recourse as they signed the papers and the fees were clearly marked.

You can do this yourself and save some money if you want to or if you choose to hire someone make sure you get some solid numbers and make sure you’re getting some good savings. I had a guy who owe $127,000 in unsecured debt and got everything settled for less than $40,000 which included my fees so he saved over $80,000.

That was one heck of a job and time consuming but normally do not deal with something that large typically.

Moral of this story, READ what you sign and NEVER make an impulse buy/decision. If your being constantly called about your decision then it seems they NEED your money, go with the person who makes you feel comfortable, has a background that can be validated by outside parties and follows up with you when YOU ASK THEM TOO.

 

 

 

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Update to Previous Debt Settlement Blog PART I

UPDATE to the PREVIOUS Debt Settlement Blog PART I

 

So welcome back, I have to tell you I have never received so many phone calls in regards to a blog than this one AND AFTER SOME OF THESE CALLS NEVER REALIZED JUST HOW SLIMEY THESE COMPANIES ARE.

 

So email me with questions and your experiences with companies and their names, I will review the email, make my own call to them to verify the kind of tactics they use and let all who read these know what is done and why they try to do it to you!!!

 

Let’s just dispense with the standard chit chat and talk about what has occurred and been asked of me over these last several weeks. And I will also throw out some specific information and company names along with some of the company’s ways they “explain” the process and what they tell and don’t tell you.

That information will not be coming from me but from people that have emailed me with their stories (keep them coming!),  so if a debt collector reads this if it mentions their company name you can take a leap as I have proof of what was said and it wasn’t me making up stories.

Now that I got that part out of the way, let’s recap and point out the one question you can ask that slaps “Credit Associates” (And most likely others if they say this also) in the face with a bold face lie on TV.

Their commercial says “if you have more than $5,000 in credit card debt you have the right to let us settle that debt for a fraction of what you owe”.

Now they also mention “there’s a secret the credit card companies don’t want you to know”.

So mini recap – Tell them that you have a question first before you explain your situation. What is the right/law/rule that allows you to settle your debt for a fraction of the money owed?

Possible answers:

1) The Fair Credit Report Act (FCRA)

WRONG—- that has NOTHING to do with money you owe or settling it. It is in regards to the reporting and accuracy of information reporting on your credit file.

2) The Fair Credit Billing Act (FCBA)

WRONG—- this is basically to protect people from unfair billing practices regarding billing statements NOT debt settlement.

3) The Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA)

WRONG—- protects consumers from discrimination based on race, color religion, etc.

4) The Fair Debt Collection Practice Act (FDCPA)

WRONG— this deals only with Collection Companies and their practices when trying to collect debt and what they can and cannot do.

 

The above is just a few popular laws that may be quoted and how you can respond to them to see their response and I guarantee you will see them moonwalk backwards and get back to trying to SELL YOU and should be pretty apparent to you that they are.

 

I just recently spoke to a gentleman we will call MIKE, he contacted a company called National Debt Relief. Mike owed $20,000 on a business card he used and had 2 other cards in good standing totaling with the first card $29,000.

He told me the company said they would have to take all 3 cards to help….                           REALLY?

When he asked what they think they could help get it down to they said approximately $21,000.

WOW!  That is sad….. I just had a $70,000 debt a client had and helped get it down to $15,000.

 

INSIDE INFORMATION

What these companies don’t talk about or “forget to verbally disclose to you” but its most likely in the fine print of the contract is what this method would do to his good standing cards is not pay on them for 3-4 months (destroying his current 750+ credit score) .

Here how this works…..

This is basically a game of leverage, if there is too much month at the end of the money and you’re paying on time or going 30 days late every so often then if you think about it what leverage do you have? Why would they lower the rate, you’re paying them and they actually want you to pay for years as look at your statement. It should have how long it will take to pay off and how much money they will make.

Once the money stops coming in and they stop getting paid and you hit the 90 days late part they really start to worry about their business agreement with you so now they are interested in doing a settlement but they don’t tell you how the process works so they hit you with what they call their payback plan or whatever term they use which typically does not benefit you at all.

What you need to understand is you can ask for discounts, now of course someone who deals with these people all the time is better qualified than you. As the companies you’re calling are trained to do this so while yes, you can try to do it yourself and “wing it”. But it does make sense that the more you do this the more you know how each company works behind the scenes.

 

IF the companies brag about being an A rated with the Better Business Bureau (BBB) then you may want to google the ABC investigation of the Better Business Bureau. It shows how they are a paid member and how members get more favorable ratings. The general public thinks this is done for free but it is a ploy, there are statements all over the internet where business owners say the “Sales” reps said we can help you with your rating if you become a member.

Most business owners hate the BBB as they have created the illusion of how they work for the public, but they just leverage their own made up “rating” system with what they think and just recently starting allowing consumers to rate the businesses.

Take me for example, the people who rated me 5 starts on the BBB site told me they and I have their affidavit’s saying so but as our business is filled with slime-balls even though I have 8+ years with NO Complaints and all reviews are 5 stars they rate me a C+?

I’ll keep you up to date as when I have a little time I will be suing them so that will be an interesting blog.

With the holidays coming I should be able to get in at least one more blog in but hoping for two so please email me your stories and experiences and if you need to speak with me my number is on the website.

I promise to give direct and straight advice, I may not be able to help if you do not fit the guidelines I use BUT I will point you in the right direction.

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